Marvel's Civil War:Good idea, Bad idea

[nerdlord_PREV (deleted)]

Hello thier true believers,

Marvel's Civil War has came out & turned the Marvel Universe on its axis

I personally love it, though at times I wish that the Marvel U could stay the same I realize that something needs to feed the flame of Marvel

though sketchy at times and a bit confusing Civil War is good in a bad way

thoughts, questions, furious rants?

-nerdLord

[type1wizard]

I've read this so far, and despite the massive shipping delays, this is turning out to be an ok arc. Personally, I think this was simply done so as not to be outsold week after week for a year by DC's 52, which makes sense when you think about it. When DC is coming off of Infinite Crisis with a weekly book, Marvel thinks: "We're going to get buried every week unless we make an 'event' too."

Then, of course, there's the Thor clone. A clone in a Marvel story!? You're kidding me!! The clone kills Goliath? *sigh* "We want to sell issues, so let's kill someone no one else really cares about." I enjoyed the Punisher angle, though. All in all, I still give this "event" a 2 out of 5 stars. I'm nowhere near as enthralled with Civil War as I am with 52. On top of that, Marvel charging 4.75 for "Choosing Sides" pretty much made me stop buying Marvel titles altogether. That was shady and underhanded, especially when you consider that DC let "Brave New World" (which was the exact same kind of preview book that Choosing Sides was) go at A BUCK.

The only thing Civil War has going for it is the fact that new readers can pick the books up and easily understand it, whereas you need to be pretty up on your comics if you want to read and understand Infinite Crisis/52. That's okay, though, because I am, and I enjoy it far more.



"The multiplying villainies of nature do swarm upon him. And fortune on his damned quarrel smiling, showed like a rebel's whore. But all's too weak: for brave MacBeth -well he deserves that name- disdaining fortune with his brandish'd steel, which smoked with execution. Like valor's minion, carved out his path, 'til he fac'd the slave, which he ne'er shook hands with, nor bade farewell to."

[nerdlord_PREV (deleted)]

Well, finally someone replied to my topic.

To really get down to the nitty gritty TypeWizard I am not really sure why I still read Marvel. It seems like i am the only one reading Marvel Comics. I don't know if its because I was raised on Marvel characters or because I just jumped on the comic book bandwaggon of collecting issues a few months ago.

I guess i am sort of questioning my taste in comics because I am entertained by Civil War for some reason. I really can't say that I hate anything that Marvel makes. I might just be interested in the company and more interested in the story.

Which I have heard people say are boring and mediocre. I consider myself to be a die-hard Marvel fan, not to be a hypocrite or anything I do love DC also.



nerdLord

[type1wizard]

nerdlord wrote: To really get down to the nitty gritty TypeWizard I am not really sure why I still read Marvel.

That's pretty much what it came down to for me a few weeks ago. I looked at my monthly list of books that I pick up, and saw only two Marvel titles, Wolverine Origins and Civil War. I don't buy ant of the offshoot books, I only buy the core books for Civil War, but honestly, this arc seems more like a re-hash of the Mutant Registration Act of years ago, not to mention an almost direct copy of AEG Games' old "Brave New World" system.


nerdlord wrote: It seems like i am the only one reading Marvel Comics. I don't know if its because I was raised on Marvel characters or because I just jumped on the comic book bandwaggon of collecting issues a few months ago.

You're not alone in reading Marvel, but there are just a lot of people who are not reading the stories because honestly, DC titles have got more interesting things going on in them these days, or so it would seem.

nerdlord wrote: I guess i am sort of questioning my taste in comics because I am entertained by Civil War for some reason. I really can't say that I hate anything that Marvel makes. I might just be interested in the company and more interested in the story.

I might be entertained more by Civil War if I didn't see it for what it is. Literally, this is something Marvel came up with so that they would not be outsold every week for a year by DC's 52. Paying 4.75 for "Choosing Sides" was the last straw. I put the Marvel titles I have in my collection up on eBay. I was done.

nerdlord wrote: Which I have heard people say are boring and mediocre. I consider myself to be a die-hard Marvel fan, not to be a hypocrite or anything I do love DC also.

Not to knock your taste, my friend, but I tend to agree with those people. I can't get into the Marvel books like I can the DC titles. 52 has me at the store every week. Green Lantern keeps me turning the pages, and I'm loving the new minis they are doing (Martian Manhunter, Trials of Shazam! and The Creeper to name a few). I've been a DC man for most of my collecting life (except the time I was really into Generation X).

Let's hope ol' Joey Q. doesn't run 'em into the ground.

"The multiplying villainies of nature do swarm upon him. And fortune on his damned quarrel smiling, showed like a rebel's whore. But all's too weak: for brave MacBeth -well he deserves that name- disdaining fortune with his brandish'd steel, which smoked with execution. Like valor's minion, carved out his path, 'til he fac'd the slave, which he ne'er shook hands with, nor bade farewell to."

[nerdlord_PREV (deleted)]

Just out of curiosity if Marvel had not thought that DC would run them into the ground do you think that they would have made Civil War. Before Civil War came out in May, DC was stomping them in sales because of 52 right?

I didn't have a local comic book shop until about a year ago & I got the Civil War sketch book & almost had a nerdgasm. It wasn't until later that I saw 52 and I thought it was to late for me to start collecting them.

If I had enough money & my local comic shop had all of the issues of 52 I would probably get them. I guess its just the thought of not having to wait a month or sometimes two to see what if anything happens in the story.

But also I am not really sure if I would understand the story sense it came after Infinite Crisis & is, correct me if I am wrong. What would happen if Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman took a year off or something to that affect.

But after Civil War is over & they stop making all of these tie-ins I'll probably pick up more DC. Right now the only DC title I am reading is JLA & I really enjoy it.

I just have one more question was the House of M an attempt by Marvel to outsale DC's Infinite Crisis, such as the situation now is Civil War vs. 52?

nerdLord

[type1wizard]

nerdlord wrote: Just out of curiosity, if Marvel had not thought that DC would run them into the ground do you think that they would have made Civil War? Before Civil War came out in May, DC was stomping them in sales because of 52 right?

No, I don't think they would have done it if it weren't for 52. With 52 being a weekly title instead of a monthly (which was a very intelligent and shrewd move on DC's part), Marvel stood to get hammered for a solid year without something substantial on their end, as folks were much more likely to buy 52 every week as opposed to waiting an entire year for the trade. Not to mention 52 is on schedule, and Civil War has had massive shipping problems.

So Marvel came up with something, albeit a re-hash of something they'd already done several times over in the past. One could argue that DC hits the universal reset button every decade or so (Can we say "Crisis on Infinite Earths" class?), so I can see the argument going both ways there. To compensate for the core Civil War books being monthlies, they put a Civil War tweak on several titles so that (theoretically) there would always be something about Civil War on the shelves at the same time 52 was out every week.

nerdlord wrote: I didn't have a local comic book shop until about a year ago & I got the Civil War sketch book & almost had a nerdgasm. It wasn't until later that I saw 52 and I thought it was to late for me to start collecting them.

I got the sketchbook. It was alright. I mean, don't get me wrong, I liked the stuff they did with Cap and Iron Man, but it really didn't do too much for me. Every comic store I've been to in the past several months has had every last back issue of 52 there is to get, so unless it's a money issue, you should still be able to find all the books.

nerdlord wrote: I guess its just the thought of not having to wait a month or sometimes two to see what if anything happens in the story.

And the stories being better, IMHO.

nerdlord wrote: But also I am not really sure if I would understand the story sense it came after Infinite Crisis & is, correct me if I am wrong. What would happen if Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman took a year off or something to that affect.

You really need to read Infinite Crisis before tackling 52. This is what I was saying earlier. Marvel has the edge here, as they don't have to tell readers to pick up this and that before they grab Civil War. Even the casual reader can pick up the core title and understand it. Yes, Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are gone for a year. It isn't a "what if" kind of situation. That's what's going on. Of course, DC made up for this by continuing to publish their flagship titles (Bats, Supes, WW) under the "One Year Later" banner, so they could continue selling these titles whilst simultaneously doing 52.

nerdlord wrote: Right now the only DC title I am reading is JLA & I really enjoy it.

Check out Green Lantern, if you can get all the back issues. They are only up to #15 as it is, and it shouldn't be hard. That's a good series right now. Also, see if you can find Batman and the Monster Men, or Batman and the Mad Monk. Those are awesome stories, as well. Of course, The Spirit just got re-launched, and I picked up #1, and enjoyed it. That's something else to consider. Just a few recommendations from someone who picks these things up all the time.

nerdlord wrote: I just have one more question was the House of M an attempt by Marvel to outsale DC's Infinite Crisis, such as the situation now is Civil War vs. 52?

I don't think it was an attempt to outsell Infinite Crisis so much as it is Marvel trying to keep the teenage audience interested. It's why you see them doing things like Runaways or Power Pack, as well as assorted Spider-Man books that are obviously done with the younger reader in mind. Comics used to be just for kids, but now, they are for kids and young adults, as much as adults, so Marvel wants to keep the younger set entertained just as much as the older set, which is a good idea.

Hope you had fun reading all that.

"The multiplying villainies of nature do swarm upon him. And fortune on his damned quarrel smiling, showed like a rebel's whore. But all's too weak: for brave MacBeth -well he deserves that name- disdaining fortune with his brandish'd steel, which smoked with execution. Like valor's minion, carved out his path, 'til he fac'd the slave, which he ne'er shook hands with, nor bade farewell to."

[nerdlord_PREV (deleted)]

Another thing that I don't like about Civil War is the promos. They are very misleading. They had Colossus standing with Ironman but on Wikipedia it says that Colossus is very much against the registration act.

I just wish that Marvel wouldn't keep pushing the same five characters Wolvie, Spidey, Hulk, Cap, & Tony. I would much rather see someone like Colossus get some spotlight outside of Astonishing X-Men.

It seems like every Marvel character has died at least one time, and Marvel goes against itself. Like when Onslaught stabbed Jugge in the chest & threw him a few hundred miles. Juggernaut is UNSTOPPABLE I have problems even thinking that Supes could beat him. Of course we both know he would probably solve that problem like he solves every other on involving a hellish foe.

Throw him into space, but to get back on topic I people like Jugs and Colossus get written out of the story ro much. One minute Juggs can withstand a strike from the mighty Thor and then another minute Hulk is making him bleed that is utter Bull Crap.

Thats mainly what I hate about Marvel is they don't serve some of the less popular characters justice when comes to people like the All mighty Wolverine...

I hate Wolverine with all my being I have even started the CAW (coalition agaist Wolverine) because he just has to be the chosen one in every story. I am sorry but colossus could not be cut by Wolvies antamnium. For one thing Logan just has enhanced strength. Peter in his present form can lift 100.

Sure they would probably write Colossus off before thier was a winner but in my book Colossus would still be victorious. ANd I hope wolverines rabid fan base gets pissed because I have some Colossus die hard fans who i know and they could back me up on this.

nerdLord

[type1wizard]

Sounds like I turned you into a DC fan.

If you really want to discuss this stuff without waiting like, two weeks between posts, head over to the forum I go to:

www.thekryptonian.com

My handle there is Superman27. Tell 'em I sent you, but not where we met up. Thanks.

"The multiplying villainies of nature do swarm upon him. And fortune on his damned quarrel smiling, showed like a rebel's whore. But all's too weak: for brave MacBeth -well he deserves that name- disdaining fortune with his brandish'd steel, which smoked with execution. Like valor's minion, carved out his path, 'til he fac'd the slave, which he ne'er shook hands with, nor bade farewell to."

[nerdlord_PREV (deleted)]

yeah I'll check it out

thanks

nerdLord

[jollyroger]

www.zaldivacomics.com


JollyRoger

[murderfiles (deleted)]

`Just finished reading the Civil War, kind of disappointed. First ,the series goes on for a long time and you're telling me Captain America quits? Damn efforts go to waste although I do understand his point of view. THEN he gets killed. Heartbreaking but Bucky takes over. I just felt like there was never any resolution to the whole problem of the Registration Act.

[symbiotictoxin]

`I haven't read the entire thing of CW, but I have read enough. Not that big of a fan, to be honest. I saw no point in turning heroes who have been friends and allies for years against each other. That, and they ended it the worst possible way: Killin' Cap'n America.

[cajunkhan (deleted)]

`Horrible, horrible idea that mischaracterized several characters to the point of breaking them. Stark has always been extremely against government interference with super-heroes. The idea that he would lead registration mischaracterized him so severely that the character is broken to this day.

[finder19]

`I think Civil War would have been enjoyable with more Deadpool. I like serious sometimes, but comic relief is required for me ;)

[honorguardjim]

`I liked it to a point, but it was literally the last thing Marvel I touched, went fully over to DC after.